Curse

Angelina · Aug 12, 2005, 10:43 AM // 10:43

we are "moaning" about the major turnover of this game.
type /age, look at your stuff, then immagine that players got 100 times what you have in 5 minutes.

hf

DFrost · Aug 12, 2005, 10:49 AM // 10:49

I didn't get a chance to make big bucks with ecto, shards or superior runes, but I don't mind. What matters is that I can now sell stuff back to traders for decent prices (just unloaded my parchment and fur square vault). I too hated spamming WTS constantly.

HowardJones · Aug 12, 2005, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Im too lazy to read all of this so I will just post my thoughts:

This update did two things:

a) made a few lucky souls very, very rich
b)made it impossible to buy superior runes since veryone is hordeing them now

Maagus · Aug 12, 2005, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelina

we are "moaning" about the major turnover of this game.
type /age, look at your stuff, then immagine that players got 100 times what you have in 5 minutes.

hf

And ? So i was right with the envy thing ? Why should I moan about it ? I have been playing since release and I have the stuff I wrote. I don´t mind if someone just bough the game week ago and became much richer than me for the past three months. Why should I be worried ? Does the wealth cause imbalance to the game ? Will they defeat you because they have more money than you ?
Seriously, I don´t get these complains.

Onito · Aug 12, 2005, 11:00 AM // 11:00

Those who gott lucky can donate too me :3

U dont neeed that much money.... :0

Kabale · Aug 12, 2005, 11:04 AM // 11:04

I think the prices of merchant stuff will go down over time. However, the only thing merchants don't sell is weapons/shields. Those items are gonna soar in prices, because of the huge amount of gold the 'rich' people have ammassed. If you were smart, you'd sell the 'godly' items you have for an insane amount of gold, because somewhere out there someone will pay an insane amount of gold for it.

Sagius Truthbarron · Aug 12, 2005, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Why in the world are Monstrous Eyes 4k?

trelloskilos · Aug 12, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabale

I think the prices of merchant stuff will go down over time. However, the only thing merchants don't sell is weapons/shields. Those items are gonna soar in prices, because of the huge amount of gold the 'rich' people have ammassed. If you were smart, you'd sell the 'godly' items you have for an insane amount of gold, because somewhere out there someone will pay an insane amount of gold for it.

....but the "Godly" items prices have been restricted to some degree...People can only carry a max of 100k, so charging any more is no good. (Buyers AND sellers can scam eachother here if the price exceeds 100k and NOBODY is so trusting on the trader front).

Also "Godly" item prices have never been set, so people can still charge what they like regardless of how the economy is doing, just like they did before the update, and lets face it a Gold Max Dmg Storm Bow bought for 50-70k is no different in stats than a Max Dmg Ascalon bow obtained from the collector outside Elona Reach for a few dropped Minotaur horns. Only the richest who must have the asthetically perfect will bother, regardless of whether there is an influx of gold from the update or not.

Calnaion Blackhawk · Aug 12, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36

wow, ecto-shards-ruby-sapphire are outta stock EVERYWHERE

Sunman222 · Aug 12, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Already posted my thoughts in another thread but nice screw job ANET, cause that's how I feel, despite the ANET sympathizers and fans.

If you don't at least see a problem with a guy who logged less then 20 hours with billions of gold compared to a guy with 500 hours with 500k and farms 24/7, your really something special.

Queto · Aug 12, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Too bad I wasn't there... I think I just would have bought 3 sup vigors and 1 Sup Absorption... But now, I'll have to save over 200k for that.

Angelina · Aug 12, 2005, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Maagus : Yes they will defeat me. Because they'll be able to buy everything they want and I can't. I have to farm above 1 month for fissure armor (farming is boring) and they can buy 2, 3 or more sets in 5 minutes ectos buying. Thoses new millioners will control the economy, by owning all runes/ectos. They'll decide the future prices. Also they'll be able to outbid me at any moment for any item. So they always will defeat me. I don't accept that.

Rhunex · Aug 12, 2005, 12:01 PM // 12:01

I agree with angelina. I'm a casual player. I'm not on all the time, and I sure as hell wasn't on when this price bs was going around. I was able to get on (around) midnight GMT -5. And that was about 16 hours after the last superior vigor rune was sold. I'm a casual player, and I was working hard to buy a superior rune at 80k, and hopefully finding one before it got that far. I was working hard to get FoW armor too. I don't have hours to play every day. I have an hour or two weekly. I've got a job, which makes it hard for me to use my uber telepathetic powers to know exactly when I need to get online next week to buy uber cheap items and sell for high prices.

coleslawdressin · Aug 12, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Believe it or not the traders were working fine as they were before, its just that we need a market stall or auction house type system to balance the npc traders. Now that they have made artificial changes to things (price cap and fixed buyback percentage), they may as well make another change to help the buyers.. If something is sold to the trader, like a superior rune or glob of ecto, let a copy of it stay up for 20 seconds or something.. It is impossible to buy the ecto you see show up at the trader.. by the time you can click request quote he has run out of stock again.. is there someone, somewhere using some auto clicker or is this what they meant by challenge the worlds best? I guess I will have to go buy my ecto from some asshole upcharging it for 12k each.

blood raven · Aug 12, 2005, 12:23 PM // 12:23

you know what that means?

that means that every rich character that was holding up for fussire armor can now spend a dime for it!
and what do they do after that to not get bored? destroy the market again with the bagillions they have left!

and all the ppl who though "oh man, i could never get my fissure armor" still cant because they cant even sell the stuff THEY have now!
arggg >_<

Mr. Matt · Aug 12, 2005, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Well I logged on and sold all 27 (!) vials of Silver dye that I'd amassed over the last month. Finally got a decent price for them; 800g each! That's a pretty nice boost to my otherwise-empty bank account, that's for sure.

Funny thing is though, that people either haven't noticed the price changes, they're just stupid, or they're trying to rip people off. Even though red dye has dropped to 430g (as of writing), people are still trying to sell it to each other for 2-3k.

Rhunex · Aug 12, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

the problem isnt with petty items like red dyes. its with superior runes. sup vigor runes sold for 6k this morning from npcs are being sold for quadruple the amount to players because the NPCs no longer stock them. same hold true for ectoplasm, and shards. bought this morning for less than 1k gold each, are being sold at over 10k gold a piece.

TideSwayer · Aug 12, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I bet ANet never expected the complete Rune Trader buyout of the Superiors. Not just Monks, Vigors, and Absorbs either. As of a few hours ago (when I was last online) every damn class was sold out! Not only did this happen, it happened in hours after the fix. Unbelievable. We went from a broken economy to a fixed economy to a whole new economy (sold-out Rune Traders are now obsolete because you can't just go to them for stuff anymore) in the span of a day. And alllllllllllllllllllllllllll because they had to reset the prices.

Note to ANet: don't ever reset the prices again. Just add more freaking stock at the pre-existing prices, and with the trader buyback rates apparently fixed now, the prices will lower THEMSELVES as people sell to them. Although I have to say, it still may not be as easy as it sounds. A few hours ago, the common material trader was selling a 10-lot of wood planks for 190g and was buying mine for 100g total (10g each). As I kept selling my lots I noticed the buyback prices was lowering by 10g (from 100g to 90g and then to 80g), but the trader's selling price remained at 190g. Ummm, ok. Shouldn't his selling price for the lots go down too as he's gaining more stock (mine) ??? Maybe it just happens more gradually but it kind of sucks when the buyback price starts decreasing before I can even sell off 140 wood planks.

Pandora's box · Aug 12, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhunex

I was working hard to get FoW armor too. I don't have hours to play every day. I have an hour or two weekly. I've got a job, which makes it hard for me to use my uber telepathetic powers to know exactly when I need to get online next week to buy uber cheap items and sell for high prices.

Than don't. Why care about FoW fashion if it only takes 7.5k to buy a set with simular stats at Droknar? Its your own choice.

Yet there are 2 things out of balance in this:
1. Part of the economy is based on fixed prices, and part on stock/demand.
2. Its no use resetting prices and refill the traders stock every 2 minutes so everyone can buy everything he/she needs; Players need a challenge. For Rhunex this is to get FoW gear, for others finding a specific item by soloing. There's nothing wrong by letting players WORK for this!

noblepaladin · Aug 12, 2005, 12:55 PM // 12:55

I don't understand why they couldn't have just adjusted the algorithms without resetting all the prices to 100g and refilling the entire trader stock. Either way the market will go into equilibrium. Before the traders were selling ectos for 15k when they had them. If they would buy for 12k, people who have alot may be willing to sell them (as that is the usual WTS price). All those monk runes priced at 40-60k would be sold by the people who horded them in the past too, because the trader would offer better price than the WTS price. Everything will come down to equilibrium. Resetting the prices and stock is like a random giveaway of ectos, shards, superior absorptions, superior vigors to thousands of players. Random players were allowed to make 10000% profit, and I bet most of them are the rich players too, because those are the ones who are usually online at that time.

In the long run, everybody will have a fixed economy, the people who were lucky will have the perfect chaos axe, perfect fellblade, perfect storm bow, etc (I expect it to be impossible to obtain any of these items for quite a while now, if I have a billion gold worth of stock, I wouldn't mind spending a million on one of these). Many sets of fissure armor will be generated from this (which at least drains some of the gold).

I think it would be good if in the next few days, A.Net drastically increases drops of Ecto and some other stuff. Because ALOT of gold has left the economy as people brought up materials (even right now at 9k gold, ectos show up at the trader about once every minute and it is brought in less than a tenth of a second by either a bot or many people clicking the trader like crazy, same with many superior runes). Not everybody was able to purchase ecto for 100g. The prices probably went up quite fast and some people brought for 3k, some for 4k, ... 7k, etc. If the item is suddenly devalued to say, 5k. ANet would have successfully eliminated alot of gold in the economy. What I don't understand is why Monk runes and Ecto are not going up in price whereas other stuff such as Vigor and Absorption seem to have reached their equilibrium prices.